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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.jonesieboy.co.uk/blog/2006/10/04/activote-walkthrough-part-1/comment-page-2/#comment-26307</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You definitely put a large amount of work into that post and it really is incredibly fascinating to see the idea process that you gone through to come up with those assumption. Many thanks for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You definitely put a large amount of work into that post and it really is incredibly fascinating to see the idea process that you gone through to come up with those assumption. Many thanks for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://www.jonesieboy.co.uk/blog/2006/10/04/activote-walkthrough-part-1/comment-page-2/#comment-174</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 16:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll have to try other avenues to get the answer to my question.  If I get one I&#039;ll certainly let you all know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll have to try other avenues to get the answer to my question.  If I get one I&#8217;ll certainly let you all know.</p>
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		<title>By: jonesieboy</title>
		<link>http://www.jonesieboy.co.uk/blog/2006/10/04/activote-walkthrough-part-1/comment-page-2/#comment-169</link>
		<dc:creator>jonesieboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 23:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s finally gone quiet here!  I never got a reply to why we couldn&#039;t trial greater privileges for certain members of staff, nor did Craig get a response to his question about reimaging hard drives.  Ah well....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s finally gone quiet here!  I never got a reply to why we couldn&#8217;t trial greater privileges for certain members of staff, nor did Craig get a response to his question about reimaging hard drives.  Ah well&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://www.jonesieboy.co.uk/blog/2006/10/04/activote-walkthrough-part-1/comment-page-2/#comment-163</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great news.  The slate fix has now been done.  An IT support team member came today and has made the appropriate changes to the system for us.  It works a treat.  Well done and thank you very much to the IT team members.  My classes are finding the new technology useful.

I know I&#039;m harping back to my previous comment on this blog bug I would be grateful if someone in the world could answer my question:

&quot;If I did have administrator access and made a mess of the hard drive, surely all that would happen would be an IT support officer would come out and copy a fresh image onto the hard drive of the machine.”

I see this potentially meaning less call outs and possibly the option of solving minor system problems through a phone call.

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great news.  The slate fix has now been done.  An IT support team member came today and has made the appropriate changes to the system for us.  It works a treat.  Well done and thank you very much to the IT team members.  My classes are finding the new technology useful.</p>
<p>I know I&#8217;m harping back to my previous comment on this blog bug I would be grateful if someone in the world could answer my question:</p>
<p>&#8220;If I did have administrator access and made a mess of the hard drive, surely all that would happen would be an IT support officer would come out and copy a fresh image onto the hard drive of the machine.”</p>
<p>I see this potentially meaning less call outs and possibly the option of solving minor system problems through a phone call.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://www.jonesieboy.co.uk/blog/2006/10/04/activote-walkthrough-part-1/comment-page-2/#comment-147</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi again folks.

I do stand corrected by Alan C.  I did not specifically mention that a solution was being sought.  However all I knew at the time was that a call had been logged.  An automated response is sent by email confirming this.  Staff do not receive any communication as to whether or not the problem is being worked on.  We are given a priority rating.  (I’ve only ever had low priority against my calls.  How does a call becoming medium or even still high priority?)  We all know that solutions are being worked towards as we have great faith in our IT support staff.  I presumed that people would also know that IT support staff would be seeking a solution to the problem and was wrong to do this.  I was definitely not trying to be misleading in any way.  I presume that Alan C is not accusing me of this.  I was unaware that a solution was close to fruition!  Again a failing of cyber communication possibly.  

I’m glad that Alan C and Robert sorted out the reconfiguring/registering issue as I am not asking to configure hardware.  I am asking to register it.  (press a button!)  This would take about the same time as recalibrating my board, which I have to do from time to time.

I am glad a solution has been found and can’t wait to try it out.  I will also actively promote the use of the slate in schools across East Lothian by networking with my maths colleagues.  We do need to get value for money on the last 6 months of manufacturers warranty after all.

However I also asked the following in my previous post: 

&quot;If I did have administrator access and made a mess of the hard drive, surely all that would happen would be an IT support officer would come out and copy a fresh image onto the hard drive of the machine.&quot;

I see this potentially meaning less call outs and possibly the option of solving minor system problems through a phone call.

Am I barking up the wrong tree here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi again folks.</p>
<p>I do stand corrected by Alan C.  I did not specifically mention that a solution was being sought.  However all I knew at the time was that a call had been logged.  An automated response is sent by email confirming this.  Staff do not receive any communication as to whether or not the problem is being worked on.  We are given a priority rating.  (I’ve only ever had low priority against my calls.  How does a call becoming medium or even still high priority?)  We all know that solutions are being worked towards as we have great faith in our IT support staff.  I presumed that people would also know that IT support staff would be seeking a solution to the problem and was wrong to do this.  I was definitely not trying to be misleading in any way.  I presume that Alan C is not accusing me of this.  I was unaware that a solution was close to fruition!  Again a failing of cyber communication possibly.  </p>
<p>I’m glad that Alan C and Robert sorted out the reconfiguring/registering issue as I am not asking to configure hardware.  I am asking to register it.  (press a button!)  This would take about the same time as recalibrating my board, which I have to do from time to time.</p>
<p>I am glad a solution has been found and can’t wait to try it out.  I will also actively promote the use of the slate in schools across East Lothian by networking with my maths colleagues.  We do need to get value for money on the last 6 months of manufacturers warranty after all.</p>
<p>However I also asked the following in my previous post: </p>
<p>&#8220;If I did have administrator access and made a mess of the hard drive, surely all that would happen would be an IT support officer would come out and copy a fresh image onto the hard drive of the machine.&#8221;</p>
<p>I see this potentially meaning less call outs and possibly the option of solving minor system problems through a phone call.</p>
<p>Am I barking up the wrong tree here?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark J Tennant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; ICT debate</title>
		<link>http://www.jonesieboy.co.uk/blog/2006/10/04/activote-walkthrough-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-145</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark J Tennant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; ICT debate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 13:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Alan C</title>
		<link>http://www.jonesieboy.co.uk/blog/2006/10/04/activote-walkthrough-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-144</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 09:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Robert,
Whew! I&#039;m glad you don&#039;t see this as reconfiguration :-). I got my facts wrong about the fix. Unfortunately the slate still does need to be set-up in each classroom everytime its used. The fix allows users to do the themselves as Craig was advocating but without the requirements to be an administrator on the PC.

Personally I don&#039;t think this is very good and hopefully the next version of the software will allow the settings to be saved on each PC.

My apologies for misleading people with my earlier post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Robert,<br />
Whew! I&#8217;m glad you don&#8217;t see this as reconfiguration <img src='http://www.jonesieboy.co.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> . I got my facts wrong about the fix. Unfortunately the slate still does need to be set-up in each classroom everytime its used. The fix allows users to do the themselves as Craig was advocating but without the requirements to be an administrator on the PC.</p>
<p>Personally I don&#8217;t think this is very good and hopefully the next version of the software will allow the settings to be saved on each PC.</p>
<p>My apologies for misleading people with my earlier post.</p>
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		<title>By: jonesieboy</title>
		<link>http://www.jonesieboy.co.uk/blog/2006/10/04/activote-walkthrough-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-139</link>
		<dc:creator>jonesieboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2006 23:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig can speak for himself of course, but I certainly wasn&#039;t aware that a solution to this problem was on the horizon.  The way that the slate is &lt;strong&gt;designed&lt;/strong&gt; to be used is for it to be registered with a computer before it is used.  This registration takes a matter of seconds.  To describe this as &quot;reconfiguration&quot; rather overstates the level of effort required :)  Anyway, if a solution is forthcoming then let&#039;s celebrate that success!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig can speak for himself of course, but I certainly wasn&#8217;t aware that a solution to this problem was on the horizon.  The way that the slate is <strong>designed</strong> to be used is for it to be registered with a computer before it is used.  This registration takes a matter of seconds.  To describe this as &#8220;reconfiguration&#8221; rather overstates the level of effort required <img src='http://www.jonesieboy.co.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Anyway, if a solution is forthcoming then let&#8217;s celebrate that success!</p>
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		<title>By: Alan C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2006 10:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am surprised to hear that the slates for use with the new whiteboards in Maths are not being used. As I understand things, IT set them up in one classroom in each school (we couldn&#039;t do more owing to technical limitations with the software).  If I was from the Education department I would be very disappointed to know that they are not being used at all and would feel that the investment had been a waste of money and time.

As has been stated the slates will currently only work on one computer and need to be reconfigured whenever they are moved to another classroom. We all agree this is a less than ideal situation. However what Craig failed to mention in his comment was that he is aware IT staff have been trying to find a resolution to this problem. We have been working with Promethean (the suppliers) and on Friday they provided a fix which unfortunately didn&#039;t work. However it gave us enough pointers to enable us to tweak it and we have now managed to get it working. We will be rolling it out over the next week or so.

If we had followed Craig’s suggestion then he (and presumably colleagues in each of the other schools) would be re-configuring the slate every time it was used in a different classroom. 

I know which approach I prefer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am surprised to hear that the slates for use with the new whiteboards in Maths are not being used. As I understand things, IT set them up in one classroom in each school (we couldn&#8217;t do more owing to technical limitations with the software).  If I was from the Education department I would be very disappointed to know that they are not being used at all and would feel that the investment had been a waste of money and time.</p>
<p>As has been stated the slates will currently only work on one computer and need to be reconfigured whenever they are moved to another classroom. We all agree this is a less than ideal situation. However what Craig failed to mention in his comment was that he is aware IT staff have been trying to find a resolution to this problem. We have been working with Promethean (the suppliers) and on Friday they provided a fix which unfortunately didn&#8217;t work. However it gave us enough pointers to enable us to tweak it and we have now managed to get it working. We will be rolling it out over the next week or so.</p>
<p>If we had followed Craig’s suggestion then he (and presumably colleagues in each of the other schools) would be re-configuring the slate every time it was used in a different classroom. </p>
<p>I know which approach I prefer.</p>
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		<title>By: jonesieboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonesieboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 17:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s been a while since I&#039;ve commented on this thread.  As regards the whole business of anonymous commenting, I&#039;ve had a complete change of heart.  I realised something was badly wrong when I noticed that I was discussing the issue of control with IT support professionals, and I was arguing for more control!!

So, anonymous posting is fine, for now, provided we are polite and constructive.  I do, of course, retain the right to remove comments from my blog in an entirely abitrary manner whenever the whim takes me ;)

Craig, in case anyone is wondering, works in the next-but-one room to mine.  I&#039;m always up for a pint Craig!

Douglas and Craig both raise interesting points that someone may wish to address.

Paul - I hear what you&#039;re saying, and understand that sometimes users have the naive notion that they should have the same freedom on a company machine that they have on their home computer.  That is clearly not practical.  But there is a middle ground between total lock-down and full admin rights for all users.  There are local authorities in Scotland that allow teachers to install software on their machines.  They have not experienced meltdown.

On a Linux/unix machine, it is indeed true that if you are not running as &quot;root&quot; - the equivalent of the administrator account - then you can&#039;t do any damage to anyone apart from yourself.  Unfortunately windows is not so well designed.  Non-privileged users on a windows machine can get viruses and worms - here&#039;s a quote from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.windowsnetworking.com/articles_tutorials/Running-Windows-Under-Non-Admin-Accounts.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;windowsnetworking.com:&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Sure, if you’re logged on as Administrator and you browse the web and come across some nasty site and download a virus, that virus gains control of your system using your own credentials i.e. administrator. And if you were an ordinary user and browsed that same site, the virus would only have limited access (the level of privileges of a domain user) on your system so the potential damage would be mitigated. But actually it’s more complex than this. After all, if the malware you download is a worm that exploits a weakness in a Windows service, then it really doesn’t matter what account you’re currently logged on as.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We spend thousands of pounds a year, I would guess, on anti-virus software for all of our desktop machines and for our servers.  What is the point of this expenditure, if not to allow us to be a bit more relaxed about what we allow to happen on some of our machines?

I return to the simple point I have made repeatedly throughout this discussion.  IT support guys say that more freedom for teachers would increase support costs and compromise security.  Teachers think that more freedom for teachers would decrease support costs and improve the learning and teaching environment.  The only way to find out who is right is to try it out.  So why don&#039;t we?  No one has answered that question.

I&#039;d like to mention a specific example to finish.  We are using an excellent open source geometry package in North Berwick called Geogebra.  It&#039;s a Java based thing that doesn&#039;t need to be installed - it just runs within java.  This software has been very popular with senior classes, and is used on a regular basis.  It has undoubtedly enriched the learning environment.  If this had been an Open Source package that required installation, we would almost certainly not have bothered going through the rigmarole of putting in a job request (for one machine to begin with no doubt), waiting a week or two, checking it out then putting in another job request to have it installed on the remaining machines.  I&#039;m not saying that the logical conclusion to this is that we should have full admin rights.  I&#039;m not even saying that I know what the solution is. I&#039;m just saying that we need to be aware that there &lt;strong&gt;is&lt;/strong&gt; a cost attached to the lack of agility in our current setup. A cost in terms of lost chances to improve the learning and teaching environment.

To be honest, I think that this debate may be rendered redundant by the growth of Web2.0 - provided the web filters can avoid blocking Web2.0 applications we will increasingly find the freedom we seek within the borders of our browsers, and the desktop will matter less and less. In East Lothian we are fortunate that so far the main Web2.0 applications continue to be accessible - given the enlightened attitude of our Head of Education, I&#039;m sure that this will continue to be the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been a while since I&#8217;ve commented on this thread.  As regards the whole business of anonymous commenting, I&#8217;ve had a complete change of heart.  I realised something was badly wrong when I noticed that I was discussing the issue of control with IT support professionals, and I was arguing for more control!!</p>
<p>So, anonymous posting is fine, for now, provided we are polite and constructive.  I do, of course, retain the right to remove comments from my blog in an entirely abitrary manner whenever the whim takes me <img src='http://www.jonesieboy.co.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Craig, in case anyone is wondering, works in the next-but-one room to mine.  I&#8217;m always up for a pint Craig!</p>
<p>Douglas and Craig both raise interesting points that someone may wish to address.</p>
<p>Paul &#8211; I hear what you&#8217;re saying, and understand that sometimes users have the naive notion that they should have the same freedom on a company machine that they have on their home computer.  That is clearly not practical.  But there is a middle ground between total lock-down and full admin rights for all users.  There are local authorities in Scotland that allow teachers to install software on their machines.  They have not experienced meltdown.</p>
<p>On a Linux/unix machine, it is indeed true that if you are not running as &#8220;root&#8221; &#8211; the equivalent of the administrator account &#8211; then you can&#8217;t do any damage to anyone apart from yourself.  Unfortunately windows is not so well designed.  Non-privileged users on a windows machine can get viruses and worms &#8211; here&#8217;s a quote from <a href="http://www.windowsnetworking.com/articles_tutorials/Running-Windows-Under-Non-Admin-Accounts.html" rel="nofollow">windowsnetworking.com:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Sure, if you’re logged on as Administrator and you browse the web and come across some nasty site and download a virus, that virus gains control of your system using your own credentials i.e. administrator. And if you were an ordinary user and browsed that same site, the virus would only have limited access (the level of privileges of a domain user) on your system so the potential damage would be mitigated. But actually it’s more complex than this. After all, if the malware you download is a worm that exploits a weakness in a Windows service, then it really doesn’t matter what account you’re currently logged on as.</p></blockquote>
<p>We spend thousands of pounds a year, I would guess, on anti-virus software for all of our desktop machines and for our servers.  What is the point of this expenditure, if not to allow us to be a bit more relaxed about what we allow to happen on some of our machines?</p>
<p>I return to the simple point I have made repeatedly throughout this discussion.  IT support guys say that more freedom for teachers would increase support costs and compromise security.  Teachers think that more freedom for teachers would decrease support costs and improve the learning and teaching environment.  The only way to find out who is right is to try it out.  So why don&#8217;t we?  No one has answered that question.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to mention a specific example to finish.  We are using an excellent open source geometry package in North Berwick called Geogebra.  It&#8217;s a Java based thing that doesn&#8217;t need to be installed &#8211; it just runs within java.  This software has been very popular with senior classes, and is used on a regular basis.  It has undoubtedly enriched the learning environment.  If this had been an Open Source package that required installation, we would almost certainly not have bothered going through the rigmarole of putting in a job request (for one machine to begin with no doubt), waiting a week or two, checking it out then putting in another job request to have it installed on the remaining machines.  I&#8217;m not saying that the logical conclusion to this is that we should have full admin rights.  I&#8217;m not even saying that I know what the solution is. I&#8217;m just saying that we need to be aware that there <strong>is</strong> a cost attached to the lack of agility in our current setup. A cost in terms of lost chances to improve the learning and teaching environment.</p>
<p>To be honest, I think that this debate may be rendered redundant by the growth of Web2.0 &#8211; provided the web filters can avoid blocking Web2.0 applications we will increasingly find the freedom we seek within the borders of our browsers, and the desktop will matter less and less. In East Lothian we are fortunate that so far the main Web2.0 applications continue to be accessible &#8211; given the enlightened attitude of our Head of Education, I&#8217;m sure that this will continue to be the case.</p>
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