Comments on: When were schools ever ideal? http://www.jonesieboy.co.uk/blog/2008/11/26/when-were-schools-ever-ideal/ Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:01:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Reform school II | Learning & Teaching http://www.jonesieboy.co.uk/blog/2008/11/26/when-were-schools-ever-ideal/comment-page-1/#comment-24348 Reform school II | Learning & Teaching Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:42:29 +0000 http://www.jonesieboy.co.uk/blog/?p=368#comment-24348 [...] also discovered this perspective about educational quality on Jonesieblog, When were schools ever ideal? “The profound failings of schools have nothing to do with the nature of the current [...] [...] also discovered this perspective about educational quality on Jonesieblog, When were schools ever ideal? “The profound failings of schools have nothing to do with the nature of the current [...]

]]> By: jonesieboy http://www.jonesieboy.co.uk/blog/2008/11/26/when-were-schools-ever-ideal/comment-page-1/#comment-24330 jonesieboy Thu, 27 Nov 2008 03:16:10 +0000 http://www.jonesieboy.co.uk/blog/?p=368#comment-24330 Do we have evidence that setting increases social inequality? My gut feeling is that it can't help, but I haven't seen any research on the matter.<br><br>Have you read "Disrupting Class"? I think I'll read "The Innovator's Dilemma" now, since I found Christensen's analysis of the challenges facing innovators (which echo closely what you are saying, and which he expounds in "The Innovator's Dilemma") much more interesting than the specific remedies which he suggests in "Disrupting Class". Do we have evidence that setting increases social inequality? My gut feeling is that it can't help, but I haven't seen any research on the matter.

Have you read “Disrupting Class”? I think I'll read “The Innovator's Dilemma” now, since I found Christensen's analysis of the challenges facing innovators (which echo closely what you are saying, and which he expounds in “The Innovator's Dilemma”) much more interesting than the specific remedies which he suggests in “Disrupting Class”.

]]> By: David Gilmour http://www.jonesieboy.co.uk/blog/2008/11/26/when-were-schools-ever-ideal/comment-page-1/#comment-24329 David Gilmour Thu, 27 Nov 2008 02:54:26 +0000 http://www.jonesieboy.co.uk/blog/?p=368#comment-24329 The difference now, perhaps, is that we actually know what needs to change, and why. We know that setting is a contributory factor, for example. We know that preoccupation with exam results is a factor, for example because it can lead to us putting our best teachers in front of the most able students.<br><br>The dynamics of the system are such, though, that these choices are locally rational for the decision-makers involved, despite being irrational in terms of the whole system.<br><br>The more I learn about this stuff, though, the more I can see how the antibodies move in to attack any new ideas that might pose a threat to the status quo; many people are happy with things just the way they are.<br><br>Perhaps the most important thing about Curriculum for Excellence is that offers an opportunity to make improvements. Which brings us neatly back to the antibodies... The difference now, perhaps, is that we actually know what needs to change, and why. We know that setting is a contributory factor, for example. We know that preoccupation with exam results is a factor, for example because it can lead to us putting our best teachers in front of the most able students.

The dynamics of the system are such, though, that these choices are locally rational for the decision-makers involved, despite being irrational in terms of the whole system.

The more I learn about this stuff, though, the more I can see how the antibodies move in to attack any new ideas that might pose a threat to the status quo; many people are happy with things just the way they are.

Perhaps the most important thing about Curriculum for Excellence is that offers an opportunity to make improvements. Which brings us neatly back to the antibodies…

]]> By: jonesieboy http://www.jonesieboy.co.uk/blog/2008/11/26/when-were-schools-ever-ideal/comment-page-1/#comment-24328 jonesieboy Thu, 27 Nov 2008 02:23:08 +0000 http://www.jonesieboy.co.uk/blog/?p=368#comment-24328 That's a relief. I wasn't sure how this post would go down. Most of the conversation about this post has happened on Twitter, btw That's a relief. I wasn't sure how this post would go down. Most of the conversation about this post has happened on Twitter, btw

]]> By: JConnell http://www.jonesieboy.co.uk/blog/2008/11/26/when-were-schools-ever-ideal/comment-page-1/#comment-24327 JConnell Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:55:53 +0000 http://www.jonesieboy.co.uk/blog/?p=368#comment-24327 A nail hit firmly upon its head, Robert! A nail hit firmly upon its head, Robert!

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